i havent gotten to the other thread yet...but the task at hand wil be finding the right person. I would prefer female, napa has a couple of places no women that I am aware. Im going to have my daughter work it a bit. Thinking black and grey with the red panties of course. Cows get all the flack but they are really cute lol. Two reasons for the calf area, one is its just silly to have a cow on your calf and like i was saying i think i could tolerate it there. Id at some later time get something incoporating my boys too. I often call them by each others names Mario and Vincent...so now i joke and call them Mar+Vin.